House Judiciary Committee Holds Hearing on
Internet Sales Tax Bill |
7/24. The House
Judiciary Committee (HJC) held a hearing on HR 3179
[LOC |
WW], a bill to
authorize states to collect taxes on out of state remote sellers, including
internet sellers.
This event mainly featured witnesses and HJC members who advocated giving states power
to tax distant internet sellers. Most of the HJC members who participated advocated giving
states this taxing authority. While several members raised questions about the bill, there
was no group of HJC members who argued against the bill.
Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), the ranking Democrat
on the HJC, and a cosponsor of a similar bill, HR 2701
[LOC |
WW], the
"Main Street Fairness Act", stated that "tax free sales on the internet may
be coming to an end".
The Supreme Court ruled in its 1992
opinion in Quill v.
North Dakota, 504 U.S. 298, that state and local taxing authorities are barred under the
Commerce Clause from requiring remote sellers without a substantial nexus to the taxing
jurisdiction to collect sales taxes for sales to persons within the jurisdiction.
While that case involved catalogue sales, the same principle applies to online sales.
However, the Supreme Court added that Congress may extend such authority. It wrote that
"Congress is now free to decide whether, when, and to what extent the States may burden
interstate mail order concerns with a duty to collect use taxes." (At 504 U.S. 318.)
HR 3179, HR 2710, and S 1452
[LOC |
WW] would extend to
the states such authority.
HR 3179 provides that "a State electing, individually or through an agreement with
one or more of the several States, ... is authorized to require all sellers ... to collect
and remit sales and use taxes with respect to remote sales into the State without regard to
the location of the seller".
The event began with opening statements by Rep.
Lamar Smith (R-TX), the Chairman of the HJC, and Rep. Conyers. The event continued with
statements by Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) and
Rep. Jackie Speier (D-CA), the lead sponsors of the
bill. See,
statement and
statement.
Next, two elected state officials spoke in favor of the bill. See,
prepared
statement of Gov. Bill Haslam (R-TN), who spoke
on behalf of the National Governors Association, and
prepared
statement of Wayne Harper, of the Utah House of Representatives, on spoke on behalf of
the Streamlined Sales Tax Governing Board.
The panel also included
Hanns
Kuttner of the Hudson Institute, and
Joseph Henchman
of the Tax Foundation. See,
prepared statement and
prepared statement.
The witness panel was packed with proponents.
Steve DelBianco
of NetChoice was the only clear critic of the bill on the panel. See,
prepared statement.
The panel included no law professors, economists, or other experts who have
conducted or published treatises or research on the subject.
Rep. Smith argued that online sellers "enjoy a competitive advantage over
traditional retailers". He argued also that the states need more revenue, and
that the Quill rule is "unfair". See,
prepared
statement.
The proponents of this bill may have the votes in committee to pass a bill in the HJC.
However, few members expressed views on likely amendments at the July 24 event.
Other HJC members who are also sponsors of this bill include
Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX),
Rep. Dennis Ross (R-FL),
Rep. Tim Griffin (R-AR),
Rep. Mark Amodei (R-NV),
Rep. Bobby Scott (D-VA),
Rep. Hank Johnson (R-GA),
Rep. Judy Chu (D-CA), Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA),
Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-CA),
Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN),
Rep. Mike Quigley (D-IL), and
Rep. Ted Deutsh (D-FL).
One often debated point was whether HR 3179 would create a "new tax".
Proponents mostly argued that it does not, and that it merely enables collection
of an existing taxes. Rep. Elton Gallegly (R-CA)
argued that "when you have to pass a law to tax somebody", it is a new tax.
All members face elections in just over four months. Rep. Johnson stated that
while he supports the bill, "I feel the specter of Grover Norquist in the room".
Norquist is the head of Americans for Tax Reform (ATR).
Representatives of states with no sales tax have little incentive to support
HR 3179. These states would gain no revenue, but their online businesses would
pay money to other states.
Montana, Oregon, Delaware, New Hampshire have no state sales tax, and no local sales
taxes. Alaska has no state sales tax, but allows local sales taxes. The only city, Anchorage,
has no general sales tax. No Representative from any of these states sits on the HJC. These
five states have a total of only 10 members in the House.
However, these five states have 10 Senators, one of whom is a member of the
Senate Judiciary Committee (SJC).
While this is a tax issue, it falls within the jurisdiction of the judiciary
committees, and not the House Ways and
Means Committee (HWMC) and Senate
Finance Committee (SFC).
States with no income tax, and that rely upon high sales taxes, including
Tennessee and Texas, have the most to gain from passage of HR 3179.
Most states have both state and local sales taxes. Most state sales tax rates
range from 4% to 7%. Although, what goods are covered, as well as how they are
defined, are also key. Some states impose taxes on services as well as goods,
with wide variation as to what is covered. Texas has a 6.25% rate. Tennessee has
a 7% rate. Colorado has a state sales tax, but of the states that have such a tax, it is
the lowest rate, 2.9%. See, Sales Tax Institute
web page titled "State
Sales Tax Rates -- Sales Tax Rates by State".
One matter that has featured in other debates, but not at this July 24 event,
is that out of state internet sellers with no Quill nexus to the taxing
state place few burdens on that state. Police and fire departments in the taxing
jurisdiction do not protect any of the facilities of these distant sellers.
School districts do not educate the children of these distant sellers.
One argument that was frequently advanced was that this bill is necessary
because in the current economic situation, states need more revenue. Although,
some Republicans disclosed that increased revenue from sales taxes on distant
internet sellers should be used to reduce other taxes.
Numerous anecdotes, but no comprehensive studies, were cited regarding the
nature and consequences of internet sales. Proponents of the bill stated that
consumers buy things online because it is cheaper, due to the absence of a sales
tax. Critics cited the reviews and additional product information available
online, and the larger inventory maintained cy many online sellers as reasons
for shopping online. They also argued that shipping and handling charges can
more than offset sales taxes.
Much of the debate focused on the complexity of complying with the sales tax
regimes of a multitude of different taxing jurisdictions. Some proponents argued
that it would be cheap and easy, because of free software.
Critics argued that the software will be expensive, and much of the
complexity and cost will lie elsewhere. For example, witnesses stated that the
way software would identify the location and taxing jurisdiction of an online
purchaser would be the zip code provided by that purchaser. But, they pointed
out, zip code boundaries do not coincide with the boundaries of taxing
jurisdictions. Critics argued too that different jurisdictions tax different
items, and then provide different definitions.
There is no requirement in the bill that requires that states that tax
distant online sellers adopt a uniform set of definitions.
One proposal discussed at the July 24 event was having states compensate
online sellers for the cost collecting sales taxes. This is not in the bill.
Another proposal discussed on July 24, to provide simplicity to sellers, was
to allow internet sellers to collect sales taxes for the tax imposing states
under their local rules and rates. Under such a system, sellers would only have
to know one set of rules and rates. One response was that this might cause many
internet sellers to move to places with no state or local sales taxes.
Also, the small seller exemption was the focus of much discussion. Critics
pointed out that many mom and pop businesses have over $1 Million in sales, the
exemption in HR 3179, but make little profit. Hence, they argued that the
exemption is too small. Some proponents of the bill suggested that any exemption
would be unfair to those small brick and mortar sellers who have no exemption.
Finally, "jobs" was often cited by both proponents and critics of HR 3179.
Although, there was no discussion of studies based upon statistics or economic theory, and
no one offered any reasoned analysis to bolster the claims that either enactment or rejection
of HR 3179 would have a predictable impact upon employment.
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Commentary: Sales Taxes and Electoral
Politics |
7/24. The House Judiciary Committee (HJC)
held a hearing on HR 3179
[LOC |
WW], a
bill to authorize states to collect taxes on out of state remote sellers,
including internet sellers.
Much of the testimony and debate of witnesses and members focused on
"fairness", "leveling the playing field", "jobs", "the economy", and the need
for more state revenue.
The gist of this piece is that support for this bill has much more to do with the motivations
of voters, the self-interest of impacted industry sectors, and electoral politics.
State and local governments provide services to persons within their jurisdictions. These
cost money. The officials who make decisions regarding services, and raising money to pay for
them, are elected, and tend to want to be re-elected. People tend to want more government
services, but not higher taxes. Elected officials therefore have incentives to provide more
services, but tax their citizens and voters less.
Moreover, industry sectors and organized political factions, in addition to
their concerns about services and aggregate taxation, tend to seek government
taxation and regulation of others, especially their competitors.
1. Raise revenues from people who are not voters. A common trait of elected state
and local officials is that they tend to seek to raise revenues by taxing non-voters.
Many states pursue this strategy via business activity taxes (BATs). This is also the
essence of HR 3179. It would enable states to collect taxes from businesses located out of
state, to increase tax revenues, while at the same time putting no increased burden on state
services. These out of state businesses can contribute to state revenues, but cannot vote in
the next election in the tax imposing state.
As a corollary to this, even when state or local governments do not impose a
general sales tax, they tend to impose special taxes on those goods and services
most consumed by non-residents. So, for example, Oregon and Alaska have no state
sales tax, and their largest cities, Portland and Anchorage, have no sales tax
either. But both heavily tax hotel rooms, a high proportion of which are paid
for by out of state individuals and companies.
If HR 3179 were enacted, most states would collect more in sales tax revenues. Legislators
in those states, and in the Congress, would likely claim credit for raising revenues, while
maintaining or expanding services, but not raising taxes.
For example, Texas would collect more in sales taxes from internet sellers
located in California that sell to Texas consumers. Texas legislators would
likely also expect that Texas voters would hold the California retailers
accountable, rather than Texas Congressional legislators who voted for HR 3179,
or the state legislators who voted to collect sales taxes on remote sellers.
2. Raise revenues from people who are not politically organized. A
second common trait of elected officials is that they tend to favor collecting
revenues from the less well organized blocks of voters over the well organized
voters. The well organized groups can do more to assist elected officials in
getting elected, or to unseat them when they have displeased these groups.
For example, some states tax both goods and services. But, of those states
that tax services, only a few tax legal services. There are lots of lawyers.
They live in all election districts. They are political active, and skilled at
organizing to advance their interests.
In contrast, communications services are taxed exorbitantly at all levels of
government -- local, state, federal, and for the Federal Communications
Commission's (FCC) universal service tax and subsidy programs. Communications
companies tend to be well capitalized and capable of employing the finest
lobbyists and lawyers. But, they do not have the same number of politically
active voters, spread across every electoral district, joining community groups,
and playing golf, as does the bar.
Hence, it should not be unforeseeable that legislators at all levels of
government tax communications services but not legal services. The consequence
is highly regressive taxation that cannot be justified by any fairness argument,
but which is nevertheless a predictable consequence of electoral politics.
Currently, at the Congressional level, it is hard to identify a strong lobby,
well organized in Congressional districts across the country, that is fighting
bills such as HR 3179. And if HR 3179 were enacted, and states could decide to
collect sales taxes from distant sellers, the one class of persons in state who
would be impacted by that decision would be consumers who buy things online.
But, there is no association of online consumers that has the organization and
political sway to mount a campaign to stop such a decision.
3. Tax to protect politically organized groups. A third common trait
of elected officials is that they often seek to impose tax burdens for the
purpose of providing a competitive advantage to politically organized groups.
First, compare brick and mortar (BAM) stores located in the taxing
jurisdiction, with their out of state online competitors. These BAM sellers are
clearly the better organized and more influential in their home states. They
have employees in state. The BAM and online stores each have their competitive
advantages and disadvantages. BAMs can display products, but onlines can publish
product descriptions, photos and customer reviews. BAMs may charge a sales tax,
but onlines may charge shipping and handling. BAM customers carry products out
the door, while online customers wait days for delivery, but online stores may
have larger inventories. And so forth.
If HR 3179 were to become law, the online stores would be saddled with new
competitive disadvantages. First, there is the cost of collecting taxes. The BAM
must collect taxes, but it only needs to know the local tax rules. The online
store would need to know the tax rules of every state and local taxing
jurisdiction around the country. Moreover, the BAM does not need to know
anything about the purchaser. Who the customer is, or where he or she lives is
of no concern. In contrast, the online would need to know the location of every
customer: not only the shipping address, but also which taxing jurisdictions.
The cost of complying, and dealing with audits, and demands for underpaid taxes,
will raise the cost of doing business for the online stores. The in-state BAMs
would benefit from this.
Second, compare big box chain stores which also have internet arms, with very
small businesses. Even before the advent of online sales, big box stores were
driving small main street stores out of business. Today, these big boxes already
have a nexus to every jurisdiction in which they have a store, warehouse or
other facility. Enactment of HR 3179 would thus have a limited impact on their
sales tax collection obligations for online sales.
Many small stores turned to the internet to remain viable. But, they may only
have a Quill nexus in a single location. HR 3179 would greatly increase
their tax collection obligations. Moreover, the big boxes will be more able to
bear the cost of compliance than the small businesses.
Competitors compete in the marketplace by trying to offer better products and
lower prices. Some also compete in the government arena by seeking to impose
taxes and regulatory burdens on their marketplace competitors. Some of the
advocacy of HR 3179 might be viewed in this light.
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In This
Issue |
This issue contains the following items:
• House Judiciary Committee Holds Hearing on Internet Sales Tax Bill
• Commentary: Sales Taxes and Electoral Politics
• Senate Judiciary Committee to Take Up Access to Federal Information Bill
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Washington Tech
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Tuesday, July 24 |
The House will meet at 10:00 AM for morning
hour, and at 12:00 NOON for legislative business. The schedule for the week includes
no technology related items. See, Rep. Cantor's
schedule.
Day two of a two day event hosted by the
American Intellectual Property Law Association (AIPLA) titled "AIPLA 16th Annual
Patent Cooperation Treaty Seminar". For more information, contact aipla at aipla
dot org or call 703-415-0780. Location: Alexandria, VA.
10:00 AM. The House
Judiciary Committee (HJC) will hold a hearing on HR 3179
[LOC |
WW], a bill to
authorize states to collect taxes on out of state remote sellers,
including internet sales. The witnesses will be
Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR),
Rep. Jackie Speier (D-CA),
Gov. Bill Haslam (R-TN) (on behalf of
the National Governors Association), Wayne
Harper (Utah House of Representatives, on behalf of the
Streamlined Sales Tax Governing
Board),
Hanns Kuttner (Hudson Institute),
Steve DelBianco (NetChoice),
and Joseph Henchman
(Tax Foundation). The HJC will webcast this hearing. This bill has a title that
does not describe its content, "Marketplace Equity Act of 2011". See,
notice. Location: Room 2141, Rayburn Building.
POSTPONED. 10:00 AM. The
House Foreign Affairs Committee
(HFAC) will hold a hearing titled "World Intellectual Property Organization
Technology Transfers to Rogue Regimes". See,
notice.
Location: Room 2172, Rayburn Building.
12:00 NOON.
Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT),
Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME),
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV),
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), and
Sen. Tom Carper (D-DE) will host a news conference
to discuss S 3414
[LOC |
WW], a revised
version of S 2105
[LOC |
WW], the
"Cybersecurity Act of 2012". See,
notice. Location: Senate Radio & TV Gallery, Capitol Building.
1:00 - 2:30 PM. The Information
Technology and Innovation Foundation (ITIF) will host a panel discussion on the use
of information technology for voting and voting registration. It is titled "Making
Voting Accessible for Disabled Veterans". The speakers will include
Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-GA),
Daniel Castro (ITIF), Brad Fain
(Expeditionary Medical Facility Human Systems Integration), and Carol Paquette (Operation
BRAVO Foundation). See,
notice.
Location: Room 188, Russell Building.
2:30 PM. The Senate
Commerce Committee (SCC) will hold a hearing titled "Cable Act at 20".
The witnesses will be Melinda Witmer (Time Warner Cable), Colleen Abdoulah
(WOW Internet, Cable, and Phone), Martin Franks (CBS
Corporation), Gordon Smith (National Association of
Broadcasters), Mark Cooper (Consumer Federation
of America), Preston
Padden (University of Colorado School of Law). See,
notice. Location: Room 253, Russell Building.
2:30 PM. The Senate
Intelligence Committee (SIC) will hold a closed meeting to mark up undisclosed
legislation. See,
notice. Location: Room 219, Hart Building.
Deadline for carriers to file with the Federal Communications
Commission's (FCC) Wireline Competition Bureau (WCB), with respect to the Connect
America Fund Phase I (CAF Phase I), notices stating the amount of support each wishes
to accept, and the areas by wire center and census block in which the carrier intends to
deploy broadband, or stating that the carrier declines incremental support for 2012. See,
notice in the
Federal Register, Vol. 77, No. 105, Thursday, May 31, 2012, at Pages 32113-32114.
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Wednesday, July 25 |
The House will meet at 10:00 AM for morning
hour, and at 12:00 NOON for legislative business. The schedule for the week includes
no technology related items. See, Rep. Cantor's
schedule.
9:30 - 11:00 AM. The New America
Foundation (NAF) will host a panel discussion titled "Transatlantic Perspectives
on Digital Rights and Online Privacy". The speakers will be Daniel Weitzner
(Executive Office of the President),
Konstantin von Notz (Bundestag), Markus Beckedahl, Jeannette Hoffman
(Alexander von Humboldt Institute for Internet and
Society), Gigi Sohn
(Public Knowledge), and Sacha Meinrath (NAF). See,
notice. Location: NAF, Suite 400, 1899 L St., NW.
10:00 AM. The
House Foreign Affairs Committee
(HFAC) will hold a hearing titled "Investigating the Chinese Threat, Part Two: Human
Rights Abuses, Torture and Disappearances". The HFAC will webcast this hearing. See,
notice. Location: Room
2172, Rayburn Building.
12:30 PM. The House Judiciary
Committee's (HJC) Subcommittee on Intellectual Property, Competition and the Internet
will hold a hearing titled "Cloud Computing: An Overview of the Technology and the
Issues facing American Innovators". The witnesses will be
Robert Holleyman (Business Software Alliance), Justin Freeman (Rackspace), Dan Chenok (IBM),
and Daniel Castro (Information Technology and Innovation Foundation). See,
notice.
Location: Room 2141, Rayburn Building.
RESCHEDULED FROM JULY 20. 2:00 PM. The
House Ways and Means Committee's (HWMC)
Subcommittee on Human Resources will hold a hearing titled "Use of Technology to
Improve the Administration of SSI’s Financial Eligibility Requirements". See,
notice.
Location: Room 1100, Longworth Building.
6:00 - 9:15 PM. The DC Bar
Association will host a panel discussion titled "Fundamentals of Patents and
Licenses for Pharmaceutical and Biotech Products". The speakers will be Thomas
Clouse (National Cancer Institute) and Eldora Ellison (Sterne Kessler). The price to attend
ranges from $99 to $129. CLE credits. See,
notice. For more information, call 202-626-3488. The DC Bar has a history of barring
reporters from its events. Location: DC Bar Conference Center, 1101 K St., NW.
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Thursday, July 26 |
The House will meet at 9:00 AM for
legislative business. The schedule for the week includes no technology related items. See,
Rep. Cantor's schedule.
9:00 AM. The
House Intelligence Committee (HIC) will hold
a hearing titled "Ongoing Intelligence Activities". See,
notice.
Location?
9:30 AM. The
House Judiciary Committee's (HJC) Subcommittee on the Constitution will
hold a hearing titled "Oversight Hearing on the U.S. Department of Justice
Civil Rights Division". See,
notice.
Location: Room 2141, Rayburn Building.
9:30 AM. The
House Financial Services
Committee (HFSC) Subcommittee on Capital Markets will hold a hearing
titled "The 10th Anniversary of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act". See,
notice. Location: Room 2128, Rayburn Building.
10:00 AM. The Senate Judiciary
Committee (SJC) will hold an executive business meeting. The agenda includes consideration
of S 225 [LOC |
WW], the "Access
to Information About Missing Children Act of 2011". The agenda
also includes consideration of the U.S. District Court nominations: Jon Tigar
(USDC/NDCal), William Orrick (USDC/NDCal), and Thomas Durkin (USDC/NDIll).
See, SJC
notice. Location: Room 226, Dirksen Building.
1:00 PM. The Senate
Judiciary Committee (SJC) will hold a hearing on the nomination of
William
Baer (Arnold & Porter) to be Assistant Attorney General (AAG) in charge of the
Department of Justice's (DOJ) Antitrust Division.
See, SJC
notice. Location: Room 226, Dirksen Building.
1:00 - 2:30 PM. The
American Bar Association (ABA) will
host a webcast and telecast panel discussion titled "Accelerated Case
Resolution Before the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board". The speakers will be
Peter Cataldo (Administrative Trademark Judge at the USPTO's TTAB), Cheryl
Goodman (Interlocutory Attorney USPTO/TTAB). George Pologeorgis (Interlocutory
Attorney, USPTO/TTAB), Mary Margaret O'Donnell (Blue Filament Intellectual
Property). Prices vary. CLE credits. See,
notice.
2:30 PM. The Senate
Intelligence Committee (SIC) will hold a closed hearing on undisclosed matters. See,
notice. Location: Room 219, Hart Building.
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Friday, July 27 |
The House will not meet. See, Rep. Cantor's
schedule.
1:00 - 2:30 PM. The
American Bar Association (ABA) will
host a webcast and telecast panel discussion titled "Trademark
Prosecution: Lessons from the Trenches". The speakers will be Cheryl
Black (Goodman Allen & Filetti), Tricia Thompkins (Perry Ellis International),
Hellen Johnson (USPTO), Sharra Brockman (Verv). Prices vary. CLE credits. See,
notice.
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Monday, July 30 |
The House will not meet.
Deadline to submit comments to the
National Institute of Standards and Technology's (NIST)
Computer Security Division (CSD) regarding its its draft
SP 800-130 [112 pages in PDF] titled "A Framework for Designing Cryptographic
Key Management Systems".
Deadline to submit reply comments to the Federal Communications
Commission (FCC) in response to its
Public Notice
[MS Word], DA 12-818, regarding the privacy and data security practices of mobile wireless
services providers with respect to customer information stored on their users' mobile
communications devices. See also,
notice in the
Federal Register, Vol. 77, No. 114, Wednesday, June 13, 2012, at Pages 35336-35338.
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Senate Judiciary Committee to Take Up
Access to Federal Information Bill |
7/19. The Senate Judiciary Committee (SJC)
announced that the agenda for its executive business meeting on July 26 includes consideration
of S 225 [LOC |
WW], the "Access
to Information About Missing Children Act of 2011", a bill that would have greater
impact than its title suggests.
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) introduced this
bill on January 31, 2011. The cosponsors are Sen. John
Cornyn (R-TX) and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT).
The SJC has not held a legislative hearing on this bill. None of the cosponsors wrote a
statement for the Congressional Record. The same three introduced a substantially
identical bill in the 111th Congress, S 4042
[LOC |
WW]. The SJC took no
action on that bill.
However, Sen. Klobuchar states in a
page in her web site titled
"Families and Children" that "I authored the bipartisan Access to Information
about Missing Children Act with Republican Senator John Cornyn of Texas to help federal,
state, and local law enforcement locate missing children whose whereabouts could be discovered
though basic information on federal tax returns." (Emphasis added.)
Nevertheless, the bill makes no reference to tax returns, the
Internal Revenue Service (IRS), or the Internal Revenue Code
(IRC). It applies to information held by all federal agencies. This may be a consequence of
the Byzantine politics of the Congressional committee jurisdiction system. As a result, if
this bill were enacted into law, it would affect the confidentiality of records at every federal
agency.
(This is the first four paragraphs of a long and technical story, which is published in full in the TLJ web site. The full story makes the statements that
"the bill would not only substantially undermine the entire IRS confidentiality regime,
it would undermine confidentiality at every agency in the federal government", and
"S 225, if enacted, would be ripe for abuse". See,
full story.)
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